Surveillance Cameras, Privacy, Freedom and Crime

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Last week I was reading the comments following a Fox News Online article about the murder rate in London now exceeding the murder rate in New York City (“London Mayor Sadiq Khan targets knives as murder rate spikes: ‘There is never a reason to carry a knife’”) when I saw and responded to this comment from buzzkill63:

“Obviously the 5 million cameras around London aren’t helping.”

In responding I merely commented that nothing in the article could justify such a conclusion, but then other self-styled libertarians decided to join in and immediately the discussion branched into fears about the government watching us, curfews, martial law, loss of freedom, ‘1984’ and accusations about what a weak government slave I am because I don’t take umbrage with the cameras.  On this and other posts I see a lot of what I believe to be misguided notions with respect to the concept of liberty and individual rights these days, so I thought the debate would make for interesting discussion at PT.

I’ll start by asking what’s wrong with this statement?:

“Obviously the 5 million cameras around London aren’t helping [prevent murder and other crime].”

Putting aside questions about the claim that there are “5 million” cameras in London, my problem with Buzzkill’s comment is that the article provided no basis whatsoever for concluding that security cameras have no impact on crime, and certainly such a conclusion isn’t “obvious” from reading the article.  That might have been a reasonable conclusion if we knew with certainty that every other relevant variable remained constant in London over the time period in question, but the article says no such thing and my ten seconds of research disproved that possibility.  An article on the online site, Quartz, declared:

“London is now home to more than 8.6 million people, the highest the city’s population has been since 1939. What’s more, 44% of London now consists of black and ethnic minorities, compared to only 28.9% in 2001. That’s according to the Greater London Authority, which serves the London mayor’s office [via the BBC].”

That was written in February, 2015, thus the increase in black and ethnic minorities represents a 52% increase in just 14 years.  What do you suppose would happen to the crime rate in any major American city if the minority population were to increase more than 50% in just 14 years?  Well since certain minorities tend to commit crime at a much higher rate than non-minorities, the crime rate would likely surge with that population, and without security cameras the crime rate in London might be considerably higher than it is.  We just don’t know.  That’s the point, and that’s why no “obvious” conclusion could be drawn.  Buzzkill63 clearly had a pre-existing bias against security cameras and despite the absence of evidence supporting his claim was attempting to use the article to spread that bias.

Now please allow me to make a few points:

  1. Yes it’s true that in this modern age you’re likely to be on camera a good portion of any time that you’re away from your home; however, the vast majority of security cameras are owned by private citizens who are protecting their homes and property and private businesses that want to provide security for their employees, their customers and their property. Wouldn’t you agree that these private individuals and businesses have the right to monitor and protect their own property, and that any attempt to restrict it is an infringement of that right?
  2. As the guardian/manager of assets that belong to the public (i.e. you and me), the government has the right and the duty, on our behalf, to ensure the security of that property, and one of the best ways of doing so is with surveillance cameras. I am as wary as anyone of Big Brother and creeping totalitarianism, but I believe it’s unwise to attempt to mitigate that concern by depriving ourselves of the critical right to protect our public property.
  3. Regardless of how widespread the use of security cameras is or will be, the government still has no right to install cameras in our homes or private businesses without a warrant. The growing use of cameras for security elsewhere doesn’t change that reality one iota.
  4. No one has the right to an expectation of privacy once they leave their home and enter the public domain or go onto private property. Sorry if that reality bothers you but that’s how it is and always has been.  People are not going to avert their eyes or sacrifice their own security for the sake of your unreasonable demand for privacy beyond the borders of your own property, and to ask them to do so would yet again be an infringement upon their rights.
  5. Video footage from security cameras has become an increasingly crucial tool in identifying and convicting scores of criminals who actually do pose a real threat to your rights. I see this all the time in my ongoing, unofficial research on crime and punishment (which consists of me watching every other true crime show that’s produced).  A 2009 article in The Telegraph states that:

“The first study of its kind into the effectiveness of surveillance cameras revealed that almost every Scotland Yard murder inquiry uses their footage as evidence.  In 90 murder cases over a one year period, CCTV was used in 86 investigations, and senior officers said it helped to solve 65 cases by capturing the murder itself on film, or tracking the movements of the suspects before or after an attack.”

My DVR schedule includes a program called “See No Evil,” a true-crime show that is entirely devoted to murder cases that were solved with the use of security cameras.  Each time I watch I marvel at how amazing it is that these invaluable tools for crime prevention are providing the added gift of helping to identify predators in our society who might otherwise never have been caught and convicted and might have gone on to hurt others.  We will never know how many lives have been saved or crimes prevented.  That’s the irony that allows people like the “libertarians” at Fox or the ACLU to profess that “video surveillance has not been proven effective,” an argument which is eerily reminiscent to the claims that there’s no evidence that gun ownership deters crime.  You can’t document something that doesn’t happen, right?

The “libertarians” accused me of being willing to trade my rights for security.

“What right of yours is being infringed by security cameras?” I asked.

“The right to privacy,” someone responded.

That’s an absurd interpretation of that constitutional protection.  The right to privacy does not mean you have the right to be invisible to others.  This is why I lose patience with “libertarians.”  Making absurd demands for “rights” that don’t exist and that can’t possibly be enforced does not further the cause of freedom, and the first clue to that ought to be when you find yourself on the same side as the Left’s best friend, the ACLU (who, incidentally, never seems to be offended by videos that show cops doing things they shouldn’t).

Finally I’d like to point out that just like DNA evidence, evidence from security cameras can be crucial for exonerating innocent people who are wrongfully accused because unlike people, the cameras don’t lie.  I get that it’s discomfiting to know that you’re on camera so much of the time, but when I asked one of the “libertarians” what they were afraid the cameras might see he cheekily replied, “I might be picking a wedgie.”  What silly people would we be to undermine our real rights to protect ourselves, our families and our property all to ensure that no stranger with a camera ever catches you “picking a wedgie?”

I’d love to know your thoughts.

~CW



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18 replies

  1. My concern is not the public cameras, but the hacking control of private cameras, microphones, etc. when you have the expectation of privacy.

    If I’m sitting at my PC in my PJs, scratching nether regions, I have no expectation of that being viewed by the FBI, or Mark Zuckerberg, but they ARE!

    THAT is what is scary!!!

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    • Absolutely, Curtis, I agree with you 100%! Anything that reaches into your home without your express consent should be deemed an unlawful invasion of privacy. I think that should apply to companies that use computer technology to spy on your computer activity, but judging from the amount of spying that actually goes on that doesn’t seem to be the case.

      Thanks for weighing in!

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      • From what I understand, it is far worse that my PF scratching allusion. Rather certain entities, ostensibly “private” but funded by CIA, for example, can turn your phone on without permission and eavesdrop on conversations!!!

        I have nothing to hide, mind you, I’m a fat, crippled, old fart with a big mouth but no power or influence. But just the THOUGHT that that could occur, and it DOES, just flies all over me!!

        THANKS! I’m trying to get back in the swim after the protracted decline and loss of my Dad. Now I’m tending to a “needy” Mom!

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      • You’re a good son and a good man, Curtis. Glad you’re getting back into the fray.

        No gov’t entity should be able to spy on a U.S. citizen without a warrant, but we’re discovering that even that protection is useless when the leftists are in control. There’s definitely a lesson there.

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  2. A thoughtful essay and some thoughtful comments – this is what a blogging forum is supposed to be about.

    For me, I’ve grown accustomed to cameras everywhere and I’ve moderated my aversion to that necessary loss of “privacy” while in public. I do have a strong sense of fair play and I absolutely hate to see criminals get away with their crimes due to lack of evidence. Cameras play a large part in capturing and prosecuting lawbreakers today – and I daresay that will increase in the future. It’s becoming more pervasive as homeowners (like me) are equipping our homes with cameras and our local police department has invited us to record our camera with them so we may be called on to help provide video evidence of a crime that happened nearby.

    As far as audio goes, my Ring doorbell has audio but if you just turn up the volume at random times (not communicating with someone at the door), the din of miscellaneous noises is mind-blowing – it would take someone like Abby (NCIS) to try to separate a conversation among a sidewalk crowded with people – difficult, if not impossible.

    In summary, this is one of those twenty-first-century gadgets that I’m willing to accept as bringing more benefits than the intrusion on my public “privacy.”

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    • Great comment, Garnet.

      Needless to say, I agree with all of what you said. I think people need to understand that as much as it feels like an intrustion and “1984” notwithstanding, no constitutionally protected right is being compromised by the legal use of security cameras.

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  3. Ok, I slept on it. That usually gives me the answer. This time it did not. Did a little searching on the net. That helped a little to better define this in my mind.

    Our Constitution never gave us the right of privacy. But of course there were no cameras then. There are several ‘kind of’ rights to privacy in the Constitution: Freedom from being searched, freedom from requirement of billeting solders in our homes and a few others. So public cameras don’t seem so much an intrusion on privacy. Maybe.
    In Pennsylvania the law is clear: you are not permitted to audio record a person’s voice without permission. So why can you video their person?

    It would help to know that these cameras may be of value in decreasing crime. Terrorists? Probably not. Perpetrators of terror would likely love being recorded doing their dirty deeds. But I didn’t see any statistics on their value. Honestly, I didn’t spend a whole lot of time looking.

    I can understand that I have the right to have cameras in my home and my business. We have done that. But the public cameras on every street corner truly seem to me an invasion with great cost. It’s like when my father in law told my husband and his brothers and sisters when one of them spilled a full glass of milk: “NO MORE MILK!” Things that seem to make sense, don’t always.
    So, if the results aren’t there, should we be doing this?

    I think the Red light cameras are just for funds for cities.
    Also, in thinking about the monitors of these cameras, I remember when in nursing we watched the cardiac monitors. You soon grow weary of watching and your attention and ability to see things becomes distorted and very poor. We missed things.

    So, why can these cameras record video and not audio? I think most do not. What is right about recording one and illegal about recording the other?

    Remember when we had to get permission signed to use a person’s picture, voice in anything on TV? I think that has gone by the way side too.

    I don’t think the current use of cameras is so bad; at least we’ve become used to. (Maybe that’s not so good!). But you know this will become much more in the future. More cameras. More spying on us in public. More recording. More watching. This isn’t the end.

    This still does bother me.

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    • I can understand your sense of unease about being under the watchful eye of a camera so much of the time, tannngl, but then you are already out in public when this is occurring, and anyone looking can see you and observe what you’re doing.

      I think the stricter laws about recording voices have to do with a justifiable different expectation of privacy related to speaking. When you speak, you speak TO someone, and it’s reasonable to assume that your comments were meant for their ears only. The same cannot be said when a camera is aimed at a public street, a bank lobby or the baggage claim area in an airport. You have no reasonable expectation of privacy in such public places (unlike, say, a restroom or hotel room), and to demand privacy in such places infringes on the rights of others to protect their businesses and customers.

      I appreciate that you put so much thought into your comment and that you took the time to come back and share your thoughts. This is definitely a topic that people should munge on, as Mrs. AL used to say.

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    • General video recording is different than specific recording. If your camera is aimed at Joe’s house, that is specific recording. If it is aimed at your house, and records Joe in the street in front of your house, that is general, and he has no privacy right in front of your house.

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  4. Well written and well thought out.

    As for security cameras, I use them and have the requisite warnings up in plain sight as required by Washington State law because I am recording and archiving both video and audio.

    When in public I have no expectation of privacy, never even considered that I did when I was growing up decades ago before the cameras were everywhere. I agree that they can feel intrusive sometimes, but I like that they are protecting property our tax dollars pay for. I love when they can be used to put away someone who damages that property, even more when they can put away someone that hurts another person.

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    • Very well said, Lauren.

      I live on the outskirts of Houston and many people have security cameras here, although we don’t. Of course there are private security cameras in just about every store, every gas station, every bank, every major hotel, every airport, and so many others that to me it seems kind of silly to take issue with the gov’t having cameras in public areas. It’s a bit like jousting at windmills, I’d say.

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  5. Maybe buzzkill has an attitude problem because he has something to hide, and he exaggerates so he bring drama into the conversation.

    When our city first put cameras on all our major traffic lights, it ticked me off because my first thought was we’re all going to get more tickets now. As time went on and we didn’t get more tickets, I could see the benefits of them when accidents occurred in view of those cameras.

    Security cameras have been in use for a long time, and then after 9-11 people became more watchful and their use skyrocketed. That day changed so many facets of our security and privacy. Now they’re just part of life and most people don’t give them a second thought.

    Like all things that change or improve over time, medicine, weaponry, etc. cameras are a useful tool that we didn’t have available to us decades ago. I don’t mind them, unless they’re peeking into my house, then we have a problem.

    I noticed that buzzkill used the old lefty trick of deflecting to the topic of cameras instead of addressing the knife issue in London. For me, that’s a much bigger problem than security cameras will ever be, but that’s a whole different discussion.

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    • Thanks for that thoughtful comment, Kathy.

      It just bugged me that Buzzkill was using an unsupported conclusion to make an argument (you know me, I’m kind of annoying that way), but it was a bit comical that my little challenge to him immediately evolved into me being a grateful government slave. That’s what you get in the knee-jerk world we live in nowadays.

      Watching the crime shows I watch and learning the true extent to which all of us are on camera has been an eye-opening experience, and the realization initially unnerved me because let’s face it – it’s spooky. But I feel the greatest sense of satisfaction when I see murderers and other criminals caught by the impartial, irrefutable eye of the camera. Those bad guys are the people the wonderful ACLU is so worried about. They certainly haven’t come to Trump’s defense (unless I missed it) as his right to privacy is being compromised by our government raiding his attorney.

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  6. You’re like a salmon swimming upstream. LOL!

    Right now I have no factual basis for the hatred of this growing use of cameras in our public and private lives. All I do have a a niggling feeling that it’s not right. I’ll think about it and try to bring you better thoughts than that!

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