What Hath FISA Wrought?


By curtmilr


All right, Pesky Truthers, much has occurred since the heavily redacted version of the Carter Page FISA Application was made public last week. Oddly, it was a strong rush of positive developments, economic and political, which bumped FISA off the front page (as if the “Fake News” would have done any hard-hitting exposes on it anyway). (LOL!)


But even so-called conservative publications, WSJ, CSM, FOX News, etc., haven’t pursued this in a dogged investigative journalism manner. This is somewhat troubling. Why?


Because the redacted FISA Application revealed the LEGAL PROOF of a treasonous conspiracy across the entire elite establishment of our nation!


WHOA, Curtis!!! Are you off your meds???

Actually, no! I’m still on them, but I’m going slog my way thru this fog to make this clear to one and all! So, here goes!


First, FOIA requests do not apply to FISA documents.
Second, the Powers That Be would quash it if possible.
So, Third, POTUS authorized the release of FISA information that would have otherwise been redacted.


These three facts mean that this FISA release is merely the START, but it is damning even without the redacted depth! THINK LOGICALLY, and let me list the ways:


• Immediate confirmation of illegal acts by anyone who signed off on it.
• Immediate confirmation that the Obama administration initiated the spying campaign to rig the election based on knowingly false information.
• Clearly implicates HRC/Democrats as feeders of that unconfirmed and false information to DoJ/FBI & MSM with the intent of securing MSM broadsides to insure a big electoral victory.
• Implicates senior UK officials (MI5, MI6/SIS), US IC, the White House, FiveEyes, and GOP House & Senate leadership of willing corruption in the effort to retain power and rig the election to politically undermine Trump, while in power, by supporting the false Russian Collusion narrative.
• Ties the MSM leaders (in print, on camera, production, & corporate) to Democrat party and foreign heads of state in a corrupt cooperative strategy.
• Brings down House leadership by exposure.
• Raises public awareness that the FISA investigation was actually spying on Trump.
• Is the foundation upon which the Huber Investigation is building public corruption cases.


The FISA declassification made it plain that the Steele Dossier was used as the primary source to make lawful the illicit electronic spying at the highest level of the Trump Campaign, the Office of the President- Elect, and of Office of the Presidency of the United States. The domestic spying began over a half a year before the FISA Application was fraudulently approved in October, 2016. Spying by foreign allies began another year earlier. The conspirators have still not shown a viable probable cause standing for any investigation.


We have been living through a widespread treasonous conspiracy at the highest level of government and corporate power for almost three years. NOW THINK:


• The MSM will never push the story because they are individually and corporately enmeshed in the conspiracy.
• Have you ever witnessed so many House, Senate, and Corporate Heads being fired, released, or retiring in such a compressed window of time? WHY?
• Do you recall most of DoJ/FBI leadership being fired, released, or retiring in such a short period of time, having served a lifetime to gain those positions?
• Have you ever seen a departing Party organizing at all levels to challenge, fight, and push for the removal of the entering, duly elected POTUS before?
• Have you ever witnessed a former US President travelling the world, either before or after the current POTUS at the same locations, attempting to undo, threaten, or hide current or former illegal, corrupt, or evil events?
• How about 40 – 50,000 sealed indictments pending? EVER??
• So many pedophilia and child abuse arrests being broken daily worldwide?
• How about a group like Antifa springing fully formed and funded seemingly overnight?
• Have you noticed how the money spigots abruptly closed to prominent charitable foundations when HRC lost the election? WHY?
• Have we ever seen DefCon nuclear scare events in real time, or have photographic evidence of other unauthorized missile launches before?


ALL of these things have happened in a very compressed window of time! And yet you insist that NOTHING IS HAPPENING???


Those you have trusted and relied upon the most are in turn the MOST evil, because they also betrayed that trust!


(Yes! This message IS Q Approved!)

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18 replies

  1. Love the visual aide, Curtis.

    I think it’s pretty clear by now that Obama and his trusted underlings did indeed work in collusion to spy on the Trump campaign and undermine both his election and then his presidency. It’s clear because of dogged efforts by Republican lawmakers and the hearings they’ve held to expose the truth, the work of groups like JW to turn over documents that reveal the truth, news medias that actually do their jobs (i.e. Fox and other “conservative” outlets) and conservative bloggers determined to get the truth out there. None of what’s happened should come as any surprise to anyone, least of all conservatives who’ve understood all along what the Left has been up to for decades. This was just the next step forward in their war on America as we know it. It would have been far more surprising to me if we DIDN’T find the types of subversive undermining that’s been discovered.

    Maybe I need to borrow some of your meds, though, because I don’t think I’m clear on what the overall message is that you’re trying to convey. For instance, what do “So many pedophilia and child abuse arrests being broken daily worldwide” have to do with the leftists’ campaign to undermine Trump? Like Garnet I’m also confused at what appears to be the suggestion that Pesky Truth-ers aren’t recognizing the Left’s guerilla-style warfare or how it’s all being exposed bit by bit. I’m a very simple lady. I don’t like guessing games or having to decipher inuendo. I’m ALWAYS the last person in the room to get the joke. You have to be very clear with readers like me.


    • CW,

      The Pedophelia/Sex Trafficking arrests globally are part and parcel of the ongoing worldwide corruption we are confronting and cracking down on. The Sessions DoJ is prosecuting these offenses more strenuously than any prior DoJ. He is also cooperating with international partners to disrupt the supply chain, methods of funding and transport globally. The Saudi coup also freed 3000 children held by Alaweed for the international sex trade. Look for the Clinton Foundation to be tied to thousands of missing children in the Haitian Relief boondoggle.

      The Saudi royal family was the single largest pool of wealth in the world. But it was bifurcated. Prince Talaweed was the single largest funder of the DNC and HRC in 2016, and prior to that the Bushes. Far more than Soros, who was #3, behind the #2 Rothschilds. On its face, strange bedfellows, right??
      He was the branch of the Saudis that funded political corruption, terrorism, and fundamentalist extremism.

      The Saudi coup, with prior support and intel from Trump, last November cut the financial strings the Alaweed Saudis had established to all corrupt politicians of both parties. They weren’t representing their constituents, we’ve all seen it, but had such deep pockets they were unassailable. This partially explains the mass resignations or retirements by GOP office holders this year, regardless of the cover stories (that’s why they are CALLED cover stories!). Dems are hoping to continue the corruption game based on Trump hatred as the wedge.

      The Saudis are now firmly allied with Trump, are liberalizing their culture, and are beginning to form a Sunni NATO-like organization to counterbalance Iran, as well as cooperating with Israel.

      The third leg of the corruption stool is Satanism vs. genuine religious beliefs. It is enmeshed with the other two, naturally, and is also global. I won’t go down that rabbit trail here, but it is nauseating. As bad or worse than the sex trafficking. Buying off politicians seems pretty pedestrian, doesn’t it?

      I had to widen the lens to explain why I included the sex trafficking in with the rest. BTW, this is a major global and national effort from which Sessions was NOT recused, and has been highly productive.


      • It doesn’t surprise me that Sessions would go after global sex trafficking in his job as U.S. A.G. Why you’re making the leap from that to the suggestion that the Bush’s and other prominent Republicans (unnamed, naturally) are in the pockets of the Saudis leaves me scratching my head. Two events can happen in the world simultaneously without necessarily being connected. It happens every second of the day.

        I am very bothered by what seem to me to be far-fetched, unsubstantiated accusations like this:

        “Look for the Clinton Foundation to be tied to thousands of missing children in the Haitian Relief boondoggle.”

        And if no such ties ever materialize will you be back to denounce the sources of your information? Suggesting that the Clintons are somehow involved in the disappearance of thousands of children is an astonishing claim, IMO. As despicable as I think they are, they aren’t completely stupid, and what would they have to gain for such an incredible risk? Money? They didn’t seem to have any trouble raising money from sources that wouldn’t land them in jail for the rest of their lives so this makes no sense to me.

        “Prince Talaweed was the single largest funder of the DNC and HRC in 2016, and prior to that the Bushes.”

        This Saudi prince was “the single largest funder of the Bushes?” That is what’s implied in your sentence. Looking at Google the only money connection I saw reported between this prince and George W. Bush was a 2002 $500K donation to a scholarship fund named after Bush Sr., which is chump change and only benefits the Bush’s peripherally. If you have SOLID information proving that the Bushes PERSONALLY received more, then let’s hear that evidence. Otherwise you are carelessly trading in unfounded rumors at the expense of people who may very well be innocent of whatever you’re implying. The Bush’s sought to establish a relationship with the Saudis just as Trump has done, presumably because both felt it was in the interests of the U.S. to have an ally in the Middle East.

        “This partially explains the mass resignations or retirements by GOP office holders this year, regardless of the cover stories…”

        Who are you talking about, specifically? Trey Gowdy is leaving this year. Are you implying that he was in the pocket of the Saudis? Let’s be clear about who you’re referring to and what PROOF you have of such an allegation. I can’t let wild allegations and speculation go unchallenged, Curtis. Unless you can prove these things if it doesn’t make sense, then it’s not true.

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      • CW,

        I’ve known the Bush dynasty to be corrupt for a long time. I made the mistake of voting for GHWB once, but never again for POTUS. I never voted for GWB for POTUS. I DID support him to get rid of Ann Richards.


      • Some weird glitch happened, so I’ll start where I left off.

        Look, political corruption is nothing new. The ties between the Bushes and Saudis goes WAY back, and is easily researchable. My goal was not to shake your world, as I just mentioned it in passing.

        The Clintons are of similar ilk, perhaps worse people (maybe not!), but not as wealthy. The Saudis (Alaweed) supported them both, as well as Obama. That’s all, and being foreign they have to hide their tracks regarding election laws. But it is merely corruption in the pre-Trump era.

        Between the Saudi coup and Trump’s EOs regarding financial corruption in December (look ’em up!), the financial strings were cut. If you want a political list, you’ll need to spend a lot of time and effort, but start with those who are abandoning safe seats for retirement with full campaign coffers. Why would they do that? And don’t mention the word “principle” with regard to that group! Ill-fitting is a gross understatement.

        They were given an option, go quietly, or go in an orange jumpsuit. They chose wisely. Those that persist in playing the game, will risk personal destruction.

        I won’t encapsulate my decades of study in these matters, and am not trying to prove a legal case. I did those studies for my own edification, not to try and persuade of every supposition or truth. What I post is a mixture of truths and informed speculation. The truths are easily verified with a little digging, while the speculations are usually proven by future events. My expectations sometimes go unfulfilled. Timing, or error? I guess we’ll see. Q has said that 60% of what he has pointed Anons to will never be revealed for the sake of public health.

        Like my study of the Q Project has attracted scorn here, because the MSM doesn’t verify it, (LOL!!!) so it is with my speculations based on truths. No one can force anyone to see what they refuse to see. I was merely trying to shine a little light.

        So, I’ll end my participation in this thread.

        PS, I’ve now decided NOT to do a post specific to the Q Project. It is the fastest growing internet phenomena, going from untraceable at New Years to the Top 20 according to Time two months ago, and still growing exponentially. So, where is it now?

        The Anons are still waiting on ANY member of the MSM to ask POTUS Trump about Q. You would expect that question would be a natural, just to dispose of it. The lack of the question literally screams!

        I’ve lost count of how many MSM “conspiracy theory” stories have been published. You DO know that is a CIA term of art, don’t you?

        But there is no sincere interest here. So be it! I’m not going to make a piñata out of myself. None of us are paid here, and I have a business to run, now that I’m on the mend.

        See y’all on another topic! Have a GREAT day!!


      • With all due respect, Curtis, nothing you’ve said here so far demonstrates to me that you “know” the Bush’s are corrupt, so I am not persuaded. Nor am I persuaded that there’s any connection between the Saudis and the decision by GOP lawmakers to quit this year. This sounds like something a prankster would have fabricated to engage people in a wild conspiracy theory. But again, if you have bona fide proof, I’ll listen.


      • Our comments posted at the same time so I just saw what you added.

        You said: “…my study of the Q Project has attracted scorn here, because the MSM doesn’t verify it…”

        It’s attracted skepticism because YOU haven’t verified it, Curtis. You talk about certain “truths” you know that lead you to further speculation, but you aren’t willing to share what these truths are or how you know them to be true.

        I assume we are all here to advance the cause of conservatism, and I’m challenging you because I see this type of speculation as unhelpful to that cause. In fact, I think it’s harmful because it damages our credibility. Maybe I’m ill informed, but you don’t seem to want to give me anything solid to change my opinion. Hope you have a great day as well.


  2. I’m confused, Curtis. This post is addressed to “Pesky Truthers” and yet it appears to be trying to “educate” us about things on which we don’t disagree and items that most of us have known about for some time.

    And you also claim that “we” insist that “NOTHING IS HAPPENING”? Who, exactly, is this “you” (us) who is insisting that your lists of happenings, firings, retirings, etc. aren’t happening?

    I’ll readily admit that we “Pesky Truthers” aren’t “Q-Enlightened” as you are, but that doesn’t mean that we’re ignorant about current events, we just can’t see the future as clearly, as you (apparently) believe you can.

    It looks like you think that we should have no confidence in any information that comes from a source other than “Q.” That implies that whatever we glean from “other sources” should automatically be suspect.

    We are mostly seasoned, reasonably intelligent adults who have, through experience, come to recognize which media sources are reliable and which ones aren’t and we aren’t (yet) convinced of the infallibility of “Q-derived” information.

    It’s an interesting post but does raise many questions.


    • Perhaps I was overbroad in word choice, Garnet, but there has been much discussion about nothing being done. Use Sessions and Rosenstein as thought experiments. The canard about nothing ever changing is similar, and that the crooks still rule. We’ve heard both here often. So, semantics aside, the thrust is still true.

      I didn’t say “enlightened” or “infallibility” did I? I don’t recall it. I wouldn’t expect most folks to dig as much as I have, as you and I have discussed. In fact you have said that the disinformation on the Q site you found off-putting. What’s infallible about disinfo? It makes our work harder, not easier.

      I certainly did not mean to attack Pesky Truthers, and don’t think I did, incorporating self-deprecating puckish humor. I did ask for us all to think logically, which has mainly been the strong suit. These times have stirred greater emotionalism though.

      Q refers to MSM all the time, but some of those voices, as you know are not trustworthy. Yet some are.

      I’m not revealing Holy Writ here, but I am trying to wrap things up in a coherent worldview. Blame it on the drugs, I guess. Now off to PT. That’ll be fun!


  3. Curtis, Judicial Watch reported that they had sued for the FISA warrant information submitted for the Carter Page investigation.
    I do believe Judicial Watch.
    Why do you say FOIA requests don’t apply to FISA documents if Judicial Watch sued for and received them? Don’t you believe Judicial Watch?
    I guess I’m having trouble with this.

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    • Tannngl, I believe JW sought and got information that was predicate to the actual FISA Application. In other words, the information used to create an Application to the Court, but not the Application itself. The actions of the FISA Court (FISC) is not subject to FOIA requests.

      Congress has oversight. thus specified Members may view the documents in a SKIF, but may not copy or photograph them. We saw the highly redacted Application last week which was the genus of this post.

      We like JW a bunch, BTW! They do yeoman’s work for the patriotic cause.

      Q has led the Anons to seek and search for information in certain veins. He then confirms or prods further. Such confirmations have told the Anons far more than that redacted FISA Application, including who, what, where, why, and when, going back to 2015.

      I’ve always had a hard time parsing the difference between Sedition & Treason other than magnitude of punishment. Either, or both, were employed in this entire imbroglio.

      Maybe once I get past the Hydrocodone. . .


      • I agree with tannngl on this one – why would JW request the Court to ‘make public all transcripts of hearings regarding applications for or renewal of Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrants related to Carter Page’ if those documents weren’t subject to FOIA?

        The FISA court shuffled them off onto the DOJ, who, of course, couldn’t find anything, so JW went back to the FISA court.



      • Ladies, I think the FISC is blatantly unconstitutional. I want it ended.

        I support JW.

        I too have seen some verbiage that implied JW was getting actual product, but have also seen it said the FOIA does not apply to FISC proceedings. I’m sure you have too. It’s a bit murky, and it shouldn’t be if it were constitutional.

        The redacted releases of the Application were from Nunes’ subcommittee, not JW.

        JW would ask, because you don’t ever get anything if you don’t. The proverbial squeaky wheel! But they didn’t GET transcripts of the hearings, did they. At least not yet. If my wish above is granted, we’ll get it all. Nunes says the bad guys don’t want that to happen, but that info a mere twenty pages will blow the doors off and reveal the truth. https://youtu.be/cvbEtugodW8


      • We’ll be right here Curtis, if you care to elaborate or provide a link, because after following JW for several years, I’ve never known them to waste time and money on going after things that are unattainable. Unlike you, I’ve not seen it said that those warrants weren’t subject to FOIA.


      • Kathy,

        Here are the list of non-financial exemptions to FOIA requests. The FISC is not mentioned specifically, but every one of the areas of oversight are, so that is the likely source of the understanding I cited. That doesn’t mean that JW didn’t find a way to wiggle in between, and if so, kudos to them!

        Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) Exemptions

        (1) Exemption 1: Classified Information. Exemption 1 protects from disclosure national security information concerning the national defense or foreign policy, provided it has been properly classified in accordance with the substantive and procedural requirements of Executive Order 12958, Classified National Security Information.

        (2) Exemption 2: Internal Matters. Exemption 2 protects from disclosure records that relate to internal personnel rules and practices of the agency. This exemption protects internal documents, the disclosure of which would risk circumvention of a statute or agency regulation, or impede the effectiveness of an agency’s activities
        (3) Exemption 3: Information Protected by Other Statutes. Exemption 3 incorporates the disclosure prohibitions that are contained in other statutes. A statute must require withholding without permitting any discretion, or establish particular criteria for withholding or refer to particular types of matter to be withheld.

        (4) Exemption 4: Business or Trade Information. Exemption 4 protects trade secrets and commercial or financial information obtained from a person that is privileged or confidential.

        (5) Exemption 5: Privileged Information. Exemption 5 protects inter-agency or intra-agency memoranda or letters 5 that would not be available by law to a party in litigation with the agency. The three most frequently invoked privileges are the deliberative process, the attorney work-product and the attorney-client.

        (6) Exemption 6: Personal Privacy. Exemption 6 protects information in personnel, medical, or similar files, the disclosure of which would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of privacy.
        (7) Exemption 7: Law Enforcement Records. Exemption 7 applies to criminal, civil, and regulatory law enforcement records.

        (a) Exemption 7(A)—Authorizes the withholding of “records or information compiled for law enforcement purposes, but only to the extent that production of such law enforcement records or information . . .could reasonably be expected to interfere with enforcement proceedings.”

        (b) Exemption 7(B)—Protects “records or information compiled for law enforcement purposes, the disclosure of which would deprive a person of a right to a fair trial or an impartial adjudication.”

        (c) Exemption 7(C)—Provides protection for personal information in law enforcement records, the disclosure of which could reasonably be expected to constitute an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy.

        (d) Exemption 7(D)—Provides protection for “records or information compiled for law enforcement purposes, which could reasonably be expected to disclose the identity of a confidential source, including a State, local, or foreign agency or authority, or any private institution which furnished information on a confidential basis, and, in the case of a record or information compiled by a criminal law enforcement authority in the course of a criminal investigation, or by an agency conducting a lawful national security intelligence investigation, information furnished by a confidential source.”

        (e) Exemption 7(E)—Affords protection to all law enforcement information which “would disclose techniques and procedures for law enforcement investigations or prosecutions, or would disclose guidelines for law enforcement investigations or prosecutions if such disclosure could reasonably be expected to risk circumvention of the law.”

        (f) Exemption 7(F)—Permits the withholding of information necessary to protect the physical safety of any individual when disclosure of information about him/or her could reasonably be expected to endanger his/or her life or physical safety.


      • Curtis, you said ‘The FISC is not mentioned specifically,’

        and you also said ‘That doesn’t mean that JW didn’t find a way to wiggle in between,’

        In the video you linked to, Maria Bartiromo said ‘I have the warrant right here in my hand.’ so that tells me JW did in fact ‘wiggle in’ and get the documents through a FOIA lawsuit. There’s also nothing definitive in those exemptions about FISA.

        Sorry to be the stick hitting your pinata, but making statements based on speculation and assumptions like that damage credibility and it causes people to share misinformation.


  4. Curtis, thank you for taking the time to put this post together. Not only did you corroborate some things I suspected, but you’ve confirmed that this mess goes far beyond the borders of our country.

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