Do pro gunners only care about their guns? And not the lives lost because of guns?

 

I found this question and answer on Quora.com. (It’s raining here😕.) Quora.com is a great site and purports to be “a place to share knowledge and better understand the world.”

I have found very little bias on either side and much truth.

So, do pro gunners only care about guns? And not the lives lost because of guns? Here’s the answer: (with charts and statistics).

~tannngl

This is yet another egregious case of Begging the question – Wikipedia

Begging the question is a logical fallacy which occurs when an argument’s premises assume the truth of the conclusion, instead of supporting it. It is a type of circular reasoning and an informal fallacy, in which an arguer makes an argument that requires the desired conclusion to be true. This often occurs in an indirect way such that the fallacy’s presence is hidden or at least not easily apparent.

The assumed truth in this case is that common people having access to firearms leads to more deaths than where the people do not have access to firearms.

As most people know firearms did not always exist. Firearms were invented. The very first firearms were invented in China around 1200 AD; these were then high technology sophisticated weapon of war. In order to shoot these very early guns you had to carry a lit match to ignite it. These were practical as smaller hand weapons of war against heavily armored troops.

As cannons they were spectacular for breaking down walls.

Not very good as a self-defense weapon. That came some 300 years later in Austria where some genius figured out how to build a reliable wheel-lock gun, around 1500 AD. About 120 years later, the cheaper and more reliable flintlock was invented.

So, if your theory is that guns in the hands of the people results in a higher homicide rate, we ought to be able to see a dramatic rise in homicides after the introduction of portable ready-to-use firearms?

We do have such data, and that is not at all what is seen.

Homicides

The fact is that shortly after portable ready to use firearms were invented, homicide rates fell.

An economics paper on this was written entitled:

Firearms and the decline of violence in Europe: 1200 -2010

http://economics.wm.edu/wp/cwm_w…

This is end figure of the paper.

Much more modern data exists as well showing the same thing.

Solid Evidence that increased gun access reduces homicide rates. by Alfred Montestruc on Liberty at Large

Figures referenced in the blog post.

But homicides fell after 2003- true, but this is why:

The Brits threw money at the problem and hired a lot more cops. FYI volunteers with concealed carry permits are a lot more cost-effective.

There is simply no legitimate basis to think gun control works as crime control. Because of that, no legitimate basis to ask the question.

Having the guns SAVES LIVES, so this is a case of a begged question.

Begging the question – Wikipedia

Begging the question is a logical fallacy which occurs when an argument’s premises assume the truth of the conclusion, instead of supporting it. It is a type of circular reasoning and an informal fallacy, in which an arguer makes an argument that requires the desired conclusion to be true. This often occurs in an indirect way such that the fallacy’s presence is hidden or at least not easily apparent.

Your assumed truth is that lives are lost because of guns. The emperical data shows that in the net, guns save lives.

So we should ask you, why do you care so little about saving lives?

That bears repeating:  So we should ask you, why do you care so little about saving lives?

“An armed society is a polite society.”

~tannngl

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