A Very Simple Question For Trump Supporters

From: theresurgent.com,  by Steve Berman,  on Mar 21, 2016,  see the article HERE.

Trump in a crowd of supporters

I put a lot of thought into whom I give political support and my vote. I feel that I owe it to my city, county, state and country that I base my vote on more than baby kissing and slick marketing, or that Bubba down the street likes a guy who’s running.

When I decided to back Ted Cruz, I put a lot of thought into it. Probably more thought than many others do, but I’m a political junkie and blogger. Not that writing about politics makes me any more informed than the rest of the blog-reading or cable-news-watching public, but it means I try to support my decisions with some kind of facts and logic.

In Cruz’s case, I looked at his policies and history, and determined that I agree with his prescriptions and plans for America. I looked at his electability and determined that he has a great shot at becoming president. I compared him to other candidates, and while it was a close choice between Cruz and Marco Rubio for me, I landed on Cruz. I reserved the right to switch to Rubio if Cruz left the race–regardless of what Rubio or his supporters said or did in regard to politics or Cruz. Politics is a contact sport, and we should be capable of moving on after the play is over.

I have this very simple question for Trump supporters:

HOW WILL DONALD TRUMP WIN THE GENERAL ELECTION?

You see, Ted Cruz beats Hillary Clinton in head to head matchups, pretty consistently. Cruz scores pretty well in the favorable/unfavorable polls, pretty consistently.

Cruz has good name recognition, with only 5 percent checking the “never heard of” box, and 12 percent have “no opinion” of him, meaning he could move up in the favorable ratings with a positive message.

Clinton, the presumptive Democrat nominee, is in a similar box to Trump: Everyone’s heard of her, and most don’t like her, with only 3 percent with no opinion. Except she’s got a lower unfavorable rating than Trump, who is just 2 percent with no opinion and a stunning 60 percent unfavorable rating. If every single person who has no opinion decided they liked Trump, that would move to 58 percent, still hated more than Clinton’s 55 percent.

Chart of favorables for celebrities

Favorable – unfavorable – name recognition

The wisdom here seems to be that Trump will somehow make Clinton more hated than she already is. But the people who like Clinton like her despite her despicable qualities: The lying, the above-the-fray detachment, the cackling. How are you going to make those people convert to Trump, who has a worse problem?

How can Trump make himself more favorable while still qualifying for your vote? What if he changed his position on immigration, or foreign trade, or ISIS, or the Iran deal to appeal more to left-leaning voters–you know, make a deal to bring more people into the GOP fold and take voters from Hillary? Would you still want to vote for him?

Or are you claiming the poll numbers are lying?

The same polling organization (CNN/ORC) that predicted Florida’s race pretty accurately has Clinton beating Trump in Florida 50 to 43 percent.

So the same group of people taking the same poll, if they’re Republicans voting in Florida’s primary, are believable because they like Trump, but if they’re picking a general election favorite, they’re lying?

Is that what you’re claiming?

Because that makes no sense whatsoever.

Or are you saying that somehow these Clinton voters will realize the inevitability of “getting on the Trump train?”

That kind of logic might work in a primary election, when you’re fighting for the “unity of the party,” etcetera. But in a general election, there’s no argument for unity, only for a winner. There’s no argument of inevitability and blame in a general election. (Can you imagine telling a Democrat “it’s your fault Trump lost because you voted for Hillary!”?)

Will threats somehow convert Democrats over to Trump? “Vote for Trump or else…” seems to be a dubious way to gain supporters. It hasn’t worked too well with the GOP #NeverTrump crowd, so I expect it won’t have the desired effect with Hillary supporters either.

So, what specific thing will Trump say or do to woo people to his side? What deal will he make? I’m willing to concede that he can make Hillary look foolish, because that’s not hard to do. Ted Cruz will make Hillary look foolish too. John Kasich could make Hillary look foolish for that matter.

I’m willing to concede Trump can make Hillary look old, infirm, confused, and indictable. Why? Because she already is all of those things, and her supporters still like her.

In fact, the only way they will abandon Hillary is if she is actually in jail. Is that the plan? Because I don’t think President Obama is going to let that happen.

If the election is between Trump and Clinton, the fact is there won’t be a lot of daylight for undecided voters. Most voters will be stuck trying to decide who’s the lesser evil (a terrible choice). Many will simply stay home. But in poll after poll, it’s obvious that less Clinton voters will stay home than Trump voters, because Trump will have twisted his party’s arm so far behind its back to win the nomination that the voting arm will literally (in the “literal” sense of a body of voters having their arms twisted) have a dislocated shoulder.

In November, the White House will go to Hillary and it will be the fault of every voter who decided to align with Trump, with absolutely no idea how their idol will get to November and win. The only way Trump can even try is to veer left. If Trump veers left and you find yourself voting for him, you deserve everything you get.

There’s only one way to describe someone who buys a horse without first hitching it to a wagon or saddling it: A sucker.

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Here’s the latest RCP average of Clinton vs. Trump. The Donald is losing ground to Hillary. Trump’s poll performance is not just a momentary blip. In 49 polls conducted matching him against Clinton starting last May, Trump led her in four, tied her in two and lost to her in 43.

I’m in a similar boat to Mr. Berman. I’m also a blogger, a political junkie, a Cruz supporter and one who cringes whenever I watch an interview or a rally starring Donald Trump. I just can’t believe that there are millions of otherwise reasonably intelligent Republican-Americans who have been mesmerized by Trump’s hogwash, hokum, and hooey. It’s like he talks in paragraph headings – all boldfaced – but there’s never any text following, no detail, no explanation, nothing but another boldfaced paragraph heading. He’s never called upon to explain anything, which is good because it’s unlikely that he could explain the details that support his boldfaced statements. And they buy it, hook, line and sinker. They “fill in the blanks” themselves to flesh out what they want to believe he said.

I guess that’s why they like him.

In their minds, what little he actually said gets embellished by their own thoughts, filling in the spaces left by his meaningless verbiage. The result is a combination of their thoughts and Trump’s platitudes that together make sense to the listener. I guess that works for them.

All I get are his paragraph headings interspersed with boasts about himself, his companies, or his unique superhuman abilities and frankly, I find it very unsatisfying.

Garnet92.

 

 



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  1. Steve Berman makes some great points, as do you; however, I don’t think it’s impossible that Trump could win, especially since he’s managed to defy all of the predictions so far. The bigger question for Trump supporters should be, what does it mean to “win?” If you beat Hillary but end up with a big-government, free-healthcare guy who doesn’t live up to his promise on illegals (which he won’t because he can’t), you don’t get much in the bargain and you ruin what’s left of the Republican brand in the process. That’s an interesting definition of “winning.”

    As for your questions about how Hillary supporters can stick with her, that’s what happens with a two-party system. If you’ve made up your mind that you’re a democrat, Hillary is your only option and you won’t be swayed by the fact that she’s a liar, by Benghazi, by her phony marriage to a sexual predator or anything else. This is why I have pleaded with people for years now to focus on debating and defeating liberalism rather than making the candidate the issue. Not an easy route, I know, but if successful it brings all of the Left down, not just the occasional candidate.

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  2. Trump is our hope. He is better qualified and skilled than Cruz. Cruz is all talk – no action. Just about all he has done has been nothing more than symbolic gestures. He did not accomplish anything as Senator, so why would anyone think he will accomplish anything as President. He has very few original thoughts of his own. I initially supported Cruz, but switched to Trump after Cruz started showing exactly who he is and after doing some in depth research on him. Trump is my first choice. If Cruz wins fairly, then I will vote for him – but I don’t think he can beat Trump. Trump’s running has been so beneficial in so many ways already. It has brought up subjects no one would discuss – it has shown certain people for who they really are behind that façade of “conservative” or “republican” or “non-establishment”. This has already been quite beneficial to the country. Trump’s unfavorable are not as high as you say – otherwise he would not be winning by the margin that he is. I hate bash pieces.

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    • ginart12, thanks for visiting. Were you aware that you’ve just regurgitated the Trump-developed Cruz-bashing diatribe word-for-word? Great job!

      Cruz has done EXACTLY what we Texans sent him to Washington to do – stop Obama. You supposedly did “research” on Cruz and you accuse him of doing nothing? It’s apparent that you’re as qualified to judge Cruz as Trump is to lead this country. Yeah, and I was for Trump before I learned about him – did you know that Trump was born with a silver spoon in his mouth – his dad was a millionaire developer in NY. When he died Trump inherited millions as well as the Trump name – that was already well known. He didn’t start from scratch, he was born into luxury. And if you believe that Trump tells the truth, I invite you to visit this short piece I did on Trump’s honesty. Did you know that FactCheck.org gave him their “King of Whoppers” award he lied so much?

      And you give credit to Trump for bringing up subjects that “no one would discuss” – please name these taboo subjects – like immigration, for example? He wasn’t the first to talk about anything, and you disparage “conservatives” – did you see Trump TRY to define what conservatism was? It should have been on a blooper segment. Ted Cruz is a REAL conservative whereas Donald Trump became one just in time to run for president – otherwise he’s been a democrat.

      And you accuse me of overstating Trump’s unfavorables. Partner, you are free to worship Trump if that floats your boat, but at least do some research yourself before making such asinine statements. I didn’t make those polls up, go to Real Clear Politics and see them for yourself. And don’t forget that even though he’s won most of the primaries so far, there have been more votes AGAINST him than FOR him. They’ve just been diluted by the number of candidates.

      Again, it’s obvious that you’ve been drinking the Trump Kool-Aid, that’s your prerogative, but at least ask yourself when, if ever, Trump has gone into detail about any of his grand pronouncements – he doesn’t, he can’t, all he can do is boast and bluster – it’s all he’s good at.

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  3. I believe the horse race scenarios are worthless at this time.

    Trump has been rightfully taking friendly fire for months now, and that has lowered his favorable and increased his negatives.

    I still favor Cruz on ALL metrics, but can see how Trump could beat Hillary. She is such a witch!

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    • It’s the same old story Curtis. At my age (I’m an old geezer), I’ve given up trying to understand how/why some people support someone as they do. Hillary is perhaps the best example I can think of. Bill was a horndog and as sleazy as can be, but he was a charming scoundrel. On the other hand, I can’t see anything to like about Hillary – even if I didn’t know of her background before her SOS stint. But in total, there is enough circumstantial evidence against her in a number of different scandals that SHOULD prevent anyone with that history from running for dogcatcher. Yet, she has a strong following. Even with the threat of an indictment hanging over head, she still has millions of sycophants – why? I’ve given up, I don’t know. All of those who participated in those polls knew all of the accusations against her – maybe they just attribute them to the “vast right wing conspiracy,” nevertheless, everyone knows who she is and what she’s been accused of and they STILL support her.

      Not dissimilar to Donald Trump.

      But look at his unfavorables – they’re sky high and the dems, along with their media friends, haven’t started attacking him yet.

      Can he beat her? Yes he can, but that’s not a bet that I’d make. If I were a betting man, my money would go on Hillary.

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